Any decent mod guys in UK?

[Nigel T.]

All of that, and you didn't actually look at the right price.

Apparently... I did notice the two different prices and thought it was their "from .... for ...." price.

Also these are totally different type of shops. Compare apples with apples please.

What is different? They both sell on the net? Enlighten me.

The Gibson:
€1085 = $1580 vs. $1319
So that is $300 difference. That's 22% extra

Randall RM100:
€1390 = $2021 vs. $1219
That's $800 difference. 65% extra!

Still they're different. Wasn't your point that $ == €, ergo $1000.00 == € 1000,00?

P.S.: And that is without "invoerrechten/omzetbelasting" for the one from Musician's Friend.

 

[m0jo]

Also these are totally different type of shops. Compare apples with apples please.

What is different? They both sell on the net? Enlighten me.

Feedback is a bargain supermarket type shop with 4 actual huge shops. They barely sell on the net, most of their sales are done in the shops, where every instrument hangs unboxed to be tried out, great .. that means it's almost certainly scratched when you buy it. Their overhead is greater so their prices will be higher.

Musiciansfriend on the other hand only sells on the net, they recieve boxes and ship boxes, which is why their prices are lower than Feedback.
Yes Thomann.de is also a real life shop, but they have a booming online business that rivals the size of Musiciansfriend allowing them lower prices, unlike Feedback.

The Gibson:
?1085 = $1580 vs. $1319
So that is $300 difference. That's 22% extra

Randall RM100:
?1390 = $2021 vs. $1219
That's $800 difference. 65% extra!

Still they're different. Wasn't your point that $ == ?, ergo $1000.00 == ? 1000,00?

That was my point, of course different stores have different prices and picking two will almost certainly not give you an exact 1 == 1 thing.

But as I've just calculated for you the price difference on the gibson is 22% while the price difference on the Randall is a whopping 65% ..

Also you picked one product, there are many that actually do hit the $1 == ?1

 

[Goldfish]

Randall RM100:
€1390 = $2021 vs. $1219
That's $800 difference. 65% extra!

It's possible that 1390 Euro is on the low end. I heard that many european dealers are due to raise prices on unloaded RM100's to 1500-1600 euros.

 

[Nigel T.]

Feedback is a bargain supermarket type shop with 4 actual huge shops. They barely sell on the net, most of their sales are done in the shops, where every instrument hangs unboxed to be tried out, great .. that means it's almost certainly scratched when you buy it. Their overhead is greater so their prices will be higher.

Musiciansfriend on the other hand only sells on the net, they recieve boxes and ship boxes, which is why their prices are lower than Feedback.
Yes Thomann.de is also a real life shop, but they have a booming online business that rivals the size of Musiciansfriend allowing them lower prices, unlike Feedback.

Point is that you can still buy on the net if you want. America is way larger than the Netherlands and many parts simply don't have music stores (or computer stores or ....), just as Australia. In other words, the economy is more geared towards online ordering and shipping stuff to and fro. If you take a look around Amsterdam you will see many shops where you can buy strings and stuff. And smaller cities are within easy reach of the big ones, so living in Hoofddorp and going to Amsterdam to fix your amp needs isn't that much of a deal. At least way less than going from Maui to Oahu and get a Fender guitar in Honolulu.

Also you picked one product, there are many that actually do hit the $1 == €1

I said that the stuff that I want is not one-on-one. I like Gibson guitars, so I just took an entrylevel Gibson guitar. I could have taken Fender or Marshall or whatever. You say there are many one-on-one... Example? The only thing I can "sort of" think of is Apple computers, but then they are shipped straight from assembly place to the country it was ordered in. And as I said before that cuts out a bunch of import duties.

And since you mentioned overhead... Randall is being imported by BMI in the Benelux. That is a different company than Randall and they import a whole lot of stuff. It wouldn't surprise me their overhead would be higher than if Randall US sent it to Randall NL.

P.S.: What does this have to do with modders in the UK? My original point was that the price hike would be explainable (and I've given a few of them) and that it is up to you to decide whether to buy in America, Netherlands or Kenya.

Peace out and let's get back to playing.

 

[m0jo]

P.S.: What does this have to do with modders in the UK? My original point was that the price hike would be explainable (and I've given a few of them) and that it is up to you to decide whether to buy in America, Netherlands or Kenya.

Peace out and let's get back to playing.

The point is, the price hike is not reasonably explainable, BMI's costs aren't that high. And it's not as if Randall has no control over the pricing if that's what you're saying.

But yeah, I'll get my amp from the USA and others can pay a truckload and buy it here, case closed ..sadly.

 

[Nigel T.]

By the way, the Randall RM-100 over at Thomann does € 1479,00

http://www.thomann.de/nl/randall_rm100m.htm

which is 20 euros cheaper than the German market: http://www.thomann.de/de/randall_rm100m.htm

http://bmi.nl/details.asp?prodid=1337&taal=
and BMI has this one for € 1301,37.

Thomann adds €8,00 for shipping handling, so that would be € 1487,00. Most music shops knock off 15 % of the "adviesprijs", so that would be €1106,16. Don't pin me down on the exact prices though because if your shop doesn't knock off 15 percent, that is too bad. I know the shop I do business with does it (at least for me).

Onto Musician's Buddies: http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Randall-RM100M-3Module-100-Watt-Guitar-Amp-Head-?sku=480348

Same amp, yet the price is $1,299.99. They won't ship this to you though as it is not on the list of products they export (no licenses from Randall I guess). But just for fun, it would ship free of charge. That means it enters Netherlands at just under 1300 dollars, and the customs guy puts his paw on it... I cannot find import duties for musical instruments, but the least you will pay is 19 % Omzetbelasting, so add $ 246,81. End total: $1545,00. Your beloved 1-1 relationship would say you bought an amp in America for 1545 Euros while you could have sufficed with 1300 if you went to a shop in the Netherlands...

 

[m0jo]

By the way, the Randall RM-100 over at Thomann does ? 1479,00

http://www.thomann.de/nl/randall_rm100m.htm

which is 20 euros cheaper than the German market: http://www.thomann.de/de/randall_rm100m.htm

and BMI has this one for ? 1301,37.

Thomann adds ?8,00 for shipping handling, so that would be ? 1487,00. Most music shops knock off 15 % of the "adviesprijs", so that would be ?1106,16. Don't pin me down on the exact prices though because if your shop doesn't knock off 15 percent, that is too bad. I know the shop I do business with does it (at least for me).

Onto Musician's Buddies: http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Randall-RM100M-3Module-100-Watt-Guitar-Amp-Head-?sku=480348

Same amp, yet the price is $1,299.99. They won't ship this to you though as it is not on the list of products they export (no licenses from Randall I guess). But just for fun, it would ship free of charge. That means it enters Netherlands at just under 1300 dollars, and the customs guy puts his paw on it... I cannot find import duties for musical instruments, but the least you will pay is 19 % Omzetbelasting, so add $ 246,81. End total: $1545,00. Your beloved 1-1 relationship would say you bought an amp in America for 1545 Euros while you could have sufficed with 1300 if you went to a shop in the Netherlands...

You're completely missing the point.
Shops in the Netherlands don't even carry the Randall stuff because it's too expensive and subsequently doesn't sell.

Your $1545 is still 1050 euro's, way cheaper than the EUR 1487 at Thomann.de.
And if you go to Beyondeleven.com it's there for $1199 (members price, you have to log in), even cheaper. There will also be guys in the US that knock something off the price, that's a useless argument.

By the way, to clarify: I'm going rack. The price difference on the RM4 and RT2/50 is higher than the RM100 and there are no shops that knock anything off the price on Randall stuff that I've found, they are at their limits allready.

But forget it, obviously you are going to disagree with me all the way, whatever evidence I bring to the table. (as am I with you ). So let's get back to just playing music.

 

[harsh]

Gosh guys, why the long debate? I reached a conclusion ages ago that UK is not not a smart choice to buy gear from. I have had literally all my stuff imported from the US (other than bulky items like cabs etc). Even with Customs, it works out cheaper. I only buy used gear in the UK, and only when I start GASing out too bad.

Anyway, wasn't the real question actually about UK modders?? :roll:

 

[m0jo]

Things got out of hand, my excuse for my part in it.

Anyway, as said due to the fact that there's no customs and other fee's Salvation Mods is the best choice in the pro modders (financially that is).
Otherwise the Randall stuff is pretty simple to understand so any dude that mods other amps should have good results working on this.

 

[Maidenhere]

Easy now tigers! I opened a can or worms by bringing up the high cost of Randall and few other gears in UK and EU in general. I think I got the answer to my original question which is simply NOPE!

So chillax for now...

Freakin expensive!

 

[headown]

The importer has to live too...

If the product was made in the USA then I'd understand the hike in price, but the Randall MTS stuff is Asian made IIRC, so the shipping prices to both the USA and the EU should be comparable... maybe a touch higher in the EU, but not a 100% markup.

If the product is currently going Asia -> USA -> EU then Randall need to think about whether they ever intend to sell any amps in the EU.

RM100 from Thomann 1390 Euros = $2021
RM100 from Funk Munky $1279

Randall have priced themselves out of the market in the EU. It's as simple as that.

Fact... Nearly every Randall stockist in the UK no longer stocks MTS. Dolphin, DV247, Andertons, Reverb... 4 of the biggest UK shops who are no longer MTS stickists. GAK stocks the MTS line, but if anyone here has ever been into their actual store, the MTS stuff is hidden in a corner of the "secondhand area" under an inch thick pile of dust.

Hey !
Thomann is one of the cheapest shops here in germany !!!
And that?s the price I?ve heard without a module !

 

[Nigel T.]

My apologies for the thread hijacking as well. Sometimes debates tend to go on and on when people try topress points home.

Anywho, as m0jo and I earlier ended the discussion, I am not going to rekindle the flame. Might be better that way.

Peace.... Over and out

P.S.: m0jo. Can you keep me up to date with what the final price is for that RM-4? Not to start it all over again, but just out of curiousity. In the end mine was € 758,00, excluding modules.

 

[m0jo]

My apologies for the thread hijacking as well. Sometimes debates tend to go on and on when people try topress points home.

Anywho, as m0jo and I earlier ended the discussion, I am not going to rekindle the flame. Might be better that way.

Peace.... Over and out

P.S.: m0jo. Can you keep me up to date with what the final price is for that RM-4? Not to start it all over again, but just out of curiousity. In the end mine was ? 758,00, excluding modules.

To speak in my girlfirends native tongue: Si!

If I find anything I'm thinking of going second hand though, I got a bit scared after making a total calculation of what the rig would cost.
But that's only if I can find a new version RM4 "as new" for a good price. Most guys with those seem to be unwilling to ship to here, which I don't get .. I pay for the shipping so the only difference for them is sticking a different address on there, what gives? :?

PS. if I go via Beyondeleven the total price including shipping and customs/tax should be ?625.