Jeff Hilligan
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eyeball987 said:
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thanks for the vote!
gtrlw said:
Back on topic, there's something in the works that will absolutely, unequivocally, nail the original Bogner Fish.
I haven't heard Anthony's version but I'm guessing it's spot on as well. The dude is a master.
gtrlw said:
How early?
Facelift was a mostly a Bogner modified Marshall. Dirt was a combination of a Fish, Rectifier and believe it or not, a Rockman. They were all three blended to create that tone.
The bottom line is that it's going to be difficult to nail that sound with a single module. I'm not saying it can't be done, but there are issues at stake like phasing between the mics and the Rockman, EQ, etc. that can't be easily duplicated.
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^ he dropped hints; he's been working with Sacred Groove
Never had the pleasure of trying one of his, that has to change
Never had the pleasure of trying one of his, that has to change
gtrlw said:
Here's what I'm prepared to say at this time: I went to Sacred Groove (Scott) with the intention of creating a module that is THE sound of Rock. I'm not talking about a 60's (tube rectifier) Plexi or an 70's Four Input Super Lead. I'm talking THE sound of ROCK.
Simple, no frills, no switches, no noise gates, no modifications to the original. Just plug in and what comes out is PURE TONE. I've recorded the first version and all I can say is WOW.
The second module will be a slight variation on the first in that it will be a high gain version that wasn't available in production. It'll still retain the same exact tone but it'll be more of a "solo" version. NOT heavy or metal or anything like that, just TONE with gain.
These are not high gainer modules, nor are they intended to be for Metal, Nu Metal, Grindcore, 80's metal, etc. They're the "Plug in a Les Paul, Tele or Strat", turn it up and sound exactly like your favorite rock records. And yes, that includes "Back In Black".
The third is a variation on the Bogner Fish. The main production Fish was a white knob version. This version is based on the black knob version and the very first version, which was a blackface Fish. I have recordings of the above from back in the "day" and we're getting very, very close. Again, no switches, no gates, nothing extra. Just a simple module that exudes TONE.
I'll have clips in the next few weeks to share.
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Hmm, no offence man, but that is extremely subjective!Mike P said:
Your "THE sound of rock" will be completely different from mine.. and a lot of other people.
This is why the voicing switches and different modules exist. (and the whole modding culture for that matter)
Anyway, I'm sure it will sound awesome, but to say it will be the module to end all is a bit naive, considering you're already using a customization platform.. (custom = personal).
No offence meant, just had to speak up there
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m0jo said:Hmm, no offence man, but that is extremely subjective!Mike P said:
Your "THE sound of rock" will be completely different from mine.. and a lot of other people.
This is why the voicing switches and different modules exist. (and the whole modding culture for that matter)
Anyway, I'm sure it will sound awesome, but to say it will be the module to end all is a bit naive, considering you're already using a customization platform.. (custom = personal).
No offence meant, just had to speak up there
I would like to order one "The Sound of Rock." Then you can check the classifieds when I'll be selling my other "false sounds of rock."
Just kidding, I know you and Scott have been working very hard at making these new additions and I can't wait to hear them!
Hi there ,
I have Bogner Fish "the original" from 1992 ,
I am so sorry to say that nothing comes close to Bogner Fish's brown channel .
I also have Soldano SP77 and VHT GP3 preamps too .
They have the tones to cry for .
These are top of line preamps and very hard to get that refined tones from ordinary preamps .
I also use RM100 and like it but no way .
Hakan
I have Bogner Fish "the original" from 1992 ,
I am so sorry to say that nothing comes close to Bogner Fish's brown channel .
I also have Soldano SP77 and VHT GP3 preamps too .
They have the tones to cry for .
These are top of line preamps and very hard to get that refined tones from ordinary preamps .
I also use RM100 and like it but no way .
Hakan
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Order 1 Sound of Rock module, get a Pick of Destiny for Free!
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m0jo said:Hmm, no offence man, but that is extremely subjective!Mike P said:
Your "THE sound of rock" will be completely different from mine.. and a lot of other people.
This is why the voicing switches and different modules exist. (and the whole modding culture for that matter)
Anyway, I'm sure it will sound awesome, but to say it will be the module to end all is a bit naive, considering you're already using a customization platform.. (custom = personal).
No offence meant, just had to speak up there
No, you're right. We all have different definitions. I'm 45 years old and have been playing guitar since I was four years old. I started gigging when I was 10 playing bass for my Dad, who's since been inducted in the Kansas Music Hall of Fame. My experience is probably far different than most on this forum.
The bottom line is that when I state "The sound of Rock", I'm referring to unmodified, stock amps that were used on hundreds of recordings in the 70's and 80's (and still to this day).
I know that you and Anthony are close and my post was in no way, shape or form meant as a disparaging to him or any of the other excellent modders.
As I stated earlier, this module won't be for everyone, especially those people that are wanting high gain amps for metal, nu-metal, grindcore, 80's metal, etc. It's basically a module for me and defines what I think of in regards to rock music, especially rock music of the 70's.
sweetrock said:Hi there ,
I have Bogner Fish "the original" from 1992 ,
I am so sorry to say that nothing comes close to Bogner Fish's brown channel .
I also have Soldano SP77 and VHT GP3 preamps too .
They have the tones to cry for .
These are top of line preamps and very hard to get that refined tones from ordinary preamps .
I also use RM100 and like it but no way .
Hakan
Black knob or white?
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That crosses off 90% of this forum!
But if it's a good tone, there's always a place in the stable
Mike P said:sweetrock said:Hi there ,
I have Bogner Fish "the original" from 1992 ,
I am so sorry to say that nothing comes close to Bogner Fish's brown channel .
I also have Soldano SP77 and VHT GP3 preamps too .
They have the tones to cry for .
These are top of line preamps and very hard to get that refined tones from ordinary preamps .
I also use RM100 and like it but no way .
Hakan
Black knob or white?
crankyrayhanky said:
Yeah, I'm with ya. That's the main reason why I went to Sacred Groove with the idea.
I pretty much have all of the heavier tones covered with the Mamba, Angel, Voodoo Rectifier, Hairy Brown Eye and even Stonerverb, which cleans up nicely but also gets that killer unique Orange tone on full gain. The Brown Eye nails the 80's modified JCM800 sound and the Jose is the Jose.
But what was missing was a great sounding stock Marshall, which is frequently overlooked but amazing nonetheless.
eyeball987
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crankyrayhanky said:
True. I prefer to take a Brahma/SL+, type and then boost them for the heavier stuff. Some times too much gain is just too much. I like the way the modules break up better when pushed with a boost as opposed to having the gain knob over 2:00.
I am interested in the new Sacred Groove module and look forward to some pro clips.
I would be very interested in checking out the Salvation or Sacred Groove Fish mods. In-depth reviews and some clips would be greatly appreciated.....
I too have a real Fish and can confirm that I have yet to try an Egnater or Randall MTS module (stock or modded) that has the tonal complexity of the Fish. Not to mention, the Fish has the absolute lowest noise floor of any high gain preamp I have ever tried, and I have basically tried them all.....
This is not to knock modular at all, because I use it live and love it. But it is just a fact. In reality, it shouldn't come as a surprise that is difficult to cop the Fish's tone in a tiny module made up of 2 tubes.....
If I can get live tones from a $350 module that accurately reproduces the tone from my $3k Fish, I'll go that route and leave my Fish in storage.....
Looking forward to the roll out of Scott's (Sacred Groove's) Fish mod.....
I too have a real Fish and can confirm that I have yet to try an Egnater or Randall MTS module (stock or modded) that has the tonal complexity of the Fish. Not to mention, the Fish has the absolute lowest noise floor of any high gain preamp I have ever tried, and I have basically tried them all.....
This is not to knock modular at all, because I use it live and love it. But it is just a fact. In reality, it shouldn't come as a surprise that is difficult to cop the Fish's tone in a tiny module made up of 2 tubes.....
If I can get live tones from a $350 module that accurately reproduces the tone from my $3k Fish, I'll go that route and leave my Fish in storage.....
Looking forward to the roll out of Scott's (Sacred Groove's) Fish mod.....
