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Mattfig said:
..Oh yeah, and anyone who thinks their opinion is worth .03 seems like they may be at risk of falling into the "authority" category... :wink:
Unless you account for inflation Mr. Fig. :lol:

I like all the information I can get so please go on with the discussion. I am eating up everything and I'm sure there are others that want to learn. If you know something, shout it out. We can sift through and take and leave accordingly. Thanks all...
 
C'mon Play nicely y'all
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Or get anihilated by my stank *** kung pao chicken breath. That **** is fucked up. As you can clearly see in the actual photo.
Look ma!!! No hands!!!
:D
 
rmilbeck said:
Mattfig said:
Oh yeah, and anyone who thinks their opinion is worth .03 seems like they may be at risk of falling into the "authority" category... :wink:

Authority, no. Three and a half years of experience with MTS gear, yes.
Again, my posts are not aimed at anyone in particular.
I don't know why you guys are getting so defensive.
Relax. Play some guitar.

R~

No worries...I don't think anyone feels defensive, just being my typical opinionated smartass self... :)

So in your 3.5 years with MTS, what have you found to be the most influential factors? That is, aside from module selection....

I'm still kinda newer to this stuff...Well, at least owning it...I drooled over MTS for a couple years before diving in...Now that I'm in, I'm playing around with every variable I can...Some make a very subtle difference, many can be compensated for by proper EQ and speaker selection...My personal belief is that certain things have to be sorted out first...Instrument, cables, modules, processors, speakers, then tubes and such...Admittedly I've learned things kinda backward and have had to go back and reconfigure my rig several times...

There's probably much more reconfiguration to come for me in the future as well as there's always much to learn...This forum has been the GREATEST resource I could imagine for MTS...But I get your initial point that everyone's opinion must be taken with a grain of salt...Especially mine as I am both confident and full of ****... :p Scary combo...

And Daryl's right about inflation, therefore I respectfully withdraw my comment regarding your $.03... :wink:
 
Oh so true...All you said...Especially guitar and pickup selection...I'm lucky enough to have a deal where I get some free guitars yearly so I use specific guitars with specific modules often times...A nice warm hollow-body with Lollar P90s makes my cleans just sing...On the same note, it sounds silly on the Mamba...Of course, there's some guitars that do well on all...I have an '81 Gibson Les Paul Custom that would sound great thru a Gorilla Amp... :)

Cables suck...Because, as you pointed out, they DO indeed make a difference and it's hard to drop coin on something so not fun! It's hard for me to walk into the Mom & Pop music store down the street with 200 bucks in my pocket and walk past the pedals and whatnot to get fooking cables...But it's gotta be done...My rig is so big that there's TONS of cables and I'm almost all the way there rigging it with Mogamis and high end Monsters...Lifetime warranty is a beautiful thing though!

So you use your MTS with Axe FX? That really interests me....I always thought of them as a "one or the other" kinda things...If you don't mind my asking...How do you have it linked and do you double up on the amps then? Meaning running an MTS module in front of an amp sim? I have tried running multiple modules for a cool recording effect but it wasn't in my case...Just noisy....

And lol at NOS "cork sniffers." I found that to be a hilarious analogy...True as well...I didn't understand your point at first so I'm glad all is well and this discussion got back on track as it's been a good one!

All the best,
Mattfig
 
Yeah Rmilbeck and Y'all,
I have been using an MTS RM100 head since early 05'. So I got a bit of experience with this gear myself. As of late I have used stock modules because I was able to get really tasty tones with just a few tweaks like putting an overdrive in front of the pre or using high quality compression.
First off:
I agree that pickups are one of the most important factors because the sound hitting the preamp section is predicated upon the source of the vibrations. I have several guitar with pickups by Dimarzio, Bill Lawrence, Rio Grande, Vintage Teisco, Tom Anderson, and Lace. Each pickup does a slightly different thing and seems to "like" a different module more than others. I have noticed that using the volume knob opens up a lot of possibilities with the modules. I think sometimes people run their preamp gain too hot and a simple taper back of the pot cleans it right up. Many of these modules have 4 gain stages!!! With the clean modules and lower gain modules, especially with higher output pickups, must be adjusted with the guitar volume control to get a true clean with enough headroom to not easily break up. Even the beloved KH1 will breakup.
Secondly:
Eq's will have a different effect depending upon whether or not it is used in the loop or in front of the preamps. In the loop it will work like the Eq on your stereo and give you a fairly predictable cut/boost of frequencies. On the other hand, when put in front of the preamps, it is a different animal. It affects the way it drives the preamp tubes and acts similar to an OD in some ways. Boosting certain frequencies pushes the pre into distortion while cutting certain frequencies can smooth out the sound and clean up a module very similar to rolling back the volume knob. While they function differently, compression and ODs perform a pre-shaping of the signal before it reaches the preamp section and fundamental eq and output adjustments can be made. IMO a full on Eq in front of your amp is probably overkill. Plus you can make final tweaks with the eq in the loop and be just fine. Using pedals in front of your amp also perform a very useful function. More on that...
Thirdly: Cables are one of the most misunderstood parts of the signal chain. They have the ability to change the Eq quite a bit depending upon capacitance per ft, overall length, and construction materials. I disagree that anything above Mogami and Canare is just silly. That is simply not true. Let me elaborate...Most of the time guitars are going to be passive electronics which means that the signal going from your guitar to the first effect in your chain will be a high-impedance signal. This type of signal is prone to degradation based on several factors incuding capacitance, resistance, and pickup output. An active pickup will produce a low-impedance signal which is hardly affected and can drive long cable and signal chains with ease. It almost doesn't matter if you use a coat hanger. :lol: Check this demo of a device that converts signal into low impedance right from your guitar pot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5tbkwXX054
If you are running a passive rig, like 90% of folks, the first cable in your chain is the most important and quality does make a major difference. My first cable is a Zaolla Silverline with a solid silver conductor. I have tried everything and I mean everything. I have used Evidence Audio, Canare, Mogami, Monster, Lava, Dimarzio, Cornish Etc... I went through a phase. What I learned was the pre-shaping qualities that just a cable can have on eq and harmonic content. Zaolla Silverline is simply the best cable that you can get for the money. Period; and it has a very real impact on tone. With Evidence Audio Lyric as a close second. If you really like a bright sound try the Elixir cables, very low capacitance and high end attenuation. (That one is for you Fig) That said I only use 1 expensive cable in my rig. Why? because I use my OD pedal as a buffer. Everything that comes in line after that in pushed by a low-impedance signal. My guitar goes into my OD, which converts the signal into low-impedance signal after that cable quality amount of circuits in the chain becomes significantly less important. (as you could see from the demo he used an extension cord.lol) You get a more consistent signal pushing your preamp and a fuller more detailed sound. I don't suggest using a cheap cable to get a jazz tone or using cable to get eq effects. Thats what the knobs on the amp and guitar are for. You can always cut, it's much harder to add. Get a good full range cable that translates as much of your pickups signal to the first circuit in your chain, buffer to low impedance, and adjust to taste. I am in good company with this concept. Check out this article from Guitar Player. Dave Friedman, Pete Cornish and others represent their ideas and it's a killer informative read. Take a few minutes and read it:
http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/chairmen-boards/apr-08/35211
Tubes I am not super familiar with outside of JJ, EH, and Sovtek. While the subtleties of tubes can be subjective, like fine wine, usually the good stuff rises to the forefront of peoples attentions. While the changes in tone may be slight to negligible that knowledge is valuable. I would like to learn more and decide from an informed standpoint what the truth of the matter is. Without buying a billion dollars worth of tubes I choose to rely on my friends on the forum. They know their **** and I respect their input. I research everything that I hear and I have been blessed plenty of times by the folks on the MTS forum. Top notch guys. So the standard is that: everybody has their own opinions, all information is valuable, and no one is the fucking authority. It is wise to listen twice and speak once. Or is it measure twice and cut once...:D OK...More tube stuff please, my brain is hungry.
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Anyone remember that clip of Dave and George playing with the Brahma using those Ei 7025's? Well lookie at what has been released recently (probably old news to some folks).

http://thetubestore.com/preferred7025.html
http://thetubestore.com/tad7025s.html
 
I too, appreciate this post. I bought my RM100 last spring and love it more everyday thanks to the knowledge I've gained here. I came in to this knowing nothing about tube amps. I'm thinking about grabbing an RM100KH (that has been offered to me at a very fair price at a local music store) just to have more options to play around with.
 
nice...I still have an original Yugo Ei kicking about somehwere,,,..sold a Brahma to someone on here with one of 'em in too....had a nice throaty midrange to it.
 
JKD said:
nice...I still have an original Yugo Ei kicking about somehwere,,,..sold a Brahma to someone on here with one of 'em in too....had a nice throaty midrange to it.
Yugo Ei? What is that? I'm guessing it's Yugoslavian, but I am not familiar with that one.
 
rmilbeck said:
Mattfig said:
And rmilbeck, your rig sounds really interesting? ANy chance of posting pics???

I'll see what I can do after the holidays. I'm getting a new camera for xmas.

R~
+1 on that!! Your rig sounds cool. My rig is bone simple and not nearly as creatively put together. It is interesting how you have the AXE FX working for you. It makes sense though. You can probably get your tones tuned in really precisely. Using it for a virtual power amp and the speaker impulses probably gives you the ability to really isolate and optimize the sound of the modules. Very curious. Do you find the tones you get out of the MTS gear superior to the onboard amp sims? This has been a question a lot of folks have had. With modded modules and your setup...Skies the limit. Man, It probably looks incredible as well as sounds superior. You mentioned using a Keeley Compressor. I use one as well. That little box is like pure magic. I use it right after my OD, like Robert suggested, and it makes everything sound so deep and just plain good. I love it and have used it on 3 different rig setups I use, aside from my MTS stuff. It is my not-so-secret weapon. I think it alone has something to do with the great tones I have been able to get out of regular stock modules with Sovteks and JJs. I look forward to seeing more of that beast of a rig you got there, bro. Peace.
 
On cables:
Try a Spectraflex Fatso!

I personally can't do without my spectraflex, any other cable I wrek in weeks ..
And I'm not the guy that throws his gear around, I tend to be enormously cautious and loving ;)
But somehow... the guitarcable always bites the dust.

Except for these that is, tough as hell!
And they sound **** good too :) Maybe not as good as those super-expensive ones but hey.. I'm only 20!
I'm not supposed to talk about cables and tubes at all but about teh br00tulz and how to scoop even more mids and such! :lol:
 
Lol,

perhaps I am in the running to be the resident "cork sniffer"? with my NOS tubes and "boutique" this and that and the other. I just bagged a "boutique" speaker over the weekend off a dude from a rich suburb who brought his new Vette to do the deal. Yes, in my set of musician friends, I usually get glassy stares when I talk about gear. Do I win? lol.
 
speedemon said:
Lol,

perhaps I am in the running to be the resident "cork sniffer"? with my NOS tubes and "boutique" this and that and the other. I just bagged a "boutique" speaker over the weekend off a dude from a rich suburb who brought his new Vette to do the deal. Yes, in my set of musician friends, I usually get glassy stares when I talk about gear. Do I win? lol.

:lol: Wish I got glassy stares....

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speedemon said:
Lol,

perhaps I am in the running to be the resident "cork sniffer"? with my NOS tubes and "boutique" this and that and the other. I just bagged a "boutique" speaker over the weekend off a dude from a rich suburb who brought his new Vette to do the deal. Yes, in my set of musician friends, I usually get glassy stares when I talk about gear. Do I win? lol.
OK... So like fine wine, there are characteristics that exemplify a good wine from a fantastic wine. In tube world, what are those characteristics? What I mean is things like plate design, country of origin, certain vintages, and specific other indicators to look for.

To Mr. Fig: The angry cat with territorial issues disturbs me. What was that all about? :)
 
Daryl said:
speedemon said:
Lol,

perhaps I am in the running to be the resident "cork sniffer"? with my NOS tubes and "boutique" this and that and the other. I just bagged a "boutique" speaker over the weekend off a dude from a rich suburb who brought his new Vette to do the deal. Yes, in my set of musician friends, I usually get glassy stares when I talk about gear. Do I win? lol.
OK... So like fine wine, there are characteristics that exemplify a good wine from a fantastic wine. In tube world, what are those characteristics? What I mean is things like plate design, country of origin, certain vintages, and specific other indicators to look for.

To Mr. Fig: The angry cat with territorial issues disturbs me. What was that all about? :)

Just being old and grouchy... :D
 
I don't know, I kind of like the cat in the doghouse...lol


Yeah, Aspen Pittman explained to me a bunch of things about vacuum tubes. It was really interesting while I was talking to him at the factory and he was showing me all his toys. Then I plugged the ones I got from him into my amp, and it was like "ohh, made in China alright". The only way I can seem to sort them is into;

1) long black plate NOS
2) short gray plate NOS

and these only barely, then

3) New Sensor bright (Tung Sol, Sovtek)
4) New Sensor dark (EHX, Mullard, Sovtek, Svetlana)
5) JJ Tesla RI
6) Chinese older
7) Chinese new that sounded good in my friend's Splawn

What I like about 1) and 2) is they tend to be the same tube to tube, whereas 3) to 7) different from tube to tube.
:lol:

Among lots of tube rolling; "where" seemed to be more important than "what" I used...

And of course, like the guitar pickups in other threads, "which ears are listening" also means as much or more than "where" and "which" tube is used.

I think what seperates NOS from modern, in tubes and everything else in this world, is profit margin. in the old days 100% profit was generally adequate for most things, and today you are unlikely to find anything mass produced that is less than 1000% profit.

Seeya!
 
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