Is there a Randall MTS / Egnater exodus ocurring???

[Goldfish]

I agree wholeheartedly with the last 4 kickass comments. Hear hear!

 

[GtrGeorge!]

VitaminG wrote:
"it's actually easier to "fill an entire stage with sound" when you don't have a second guitarist or keyboardist to compete with for space."
GtrGeorge reply:

My Reply: not really the case,mate. For example: take a cheezy crappy SS amp and play in that same room and same band..and what do ya have? A real thin sound that just buzzes along ..and really doesnt glue the sound together..and it doesnt have any dynamics to make the rhythym section PUNCH...its just a nasty buzzing sound. And filling the room? Well actually the sound seems to dissapear in some places in the some...it doesnt "stick"..if you get my meaning. The Randall system doesnt seem to have this problem I know..I play live quite a bit, I have for years.
My Australian friend, I mean no offence..but its like comparing a stick of gum to a meal..the meal satisfies..the gum just cant do the same job.
and btw: I orginally had a 2nd git in the band..and the guys tones was a metal zone pedal into a crappy amp a bad crate amp,I recall)..and to be honest he was a nice guy but there was me and my tube sounds..and then there was his GNAT-buzzing sound. After a few weeks everyone knew in the band that the GNAT had to go...because why would you want the GNAT sound when you already had it covered with the Tube-sound?

Sure, YMMV...but I think many many players see this as I do.
And the bottom line really is: I like my Randall tube amp system and It works VERY well for me. Meet me at a gig sometime..sit in for the sound check..I'll buy you a Foster's,mate. -GtrGeorge

 

[Julia]

VitaminG wrote:
"it's actually easier to "fill an entire stage with sound" when you don't have a second guitarist or keyboardist to compete with for space."
GtrGeorge reply:
Meet me at a gig sometime..sit in for the sound check..I'll buy you a Foster's,mate. -GtrGeorge

George: Foster's is goat piss. Vitamin G will want either a Coopers or Victoria Bitter and a meat pie. Serious.

 

[rhequiem]

You know, I've been thinking about this a bit. The other guitarist in my band has a totally solid-state setup (Digitech GSP1101 -> BBE Sonic Maximizer -> Rocktron 300 SS power amp -> into PA), and he gets some *really* good sounds out of that set up. Granted, he only uses like 3 patches (Mr Scary, Crunchy Monkey, and some other patch), but the tones he gets out of that set up have me wondering how my tone compares... I'm thinking about getting a GSP1101 just to test it out. I saw that they recently dropped the prices on them by about $100....

 

[VitaminG]

VitaminG wrote:
"it's actually easier to "fill an entire stage with sound" when you don't have a second guitarist or keyboardist to compete with for space."
GtrGeorge reply:

My Reply: not really the case,mate. For example: take a cheezy crappy SS amp and play in that same room and same band..and what do ya have? A real thin sound that just buzzes along ..and really doesnt glue the sound together..and it doesnt have any dynamics to make the rhythym section PUNCH...its just a nasty buzzing sound. And filling the room? Well actually the sound seems to dissapear in some places in the some...it doesnt "stick"..if you get my meaning. The Randall system doesnt seem to have this problem I know..I play live quite a bit, I have for years.
My Australian friend, I mean no offence..but its like comparing a stick of gum to a meal..the meal satisfies..the gum just cant do the same job.
and btw: I orginally had a 2nd git in the band..and the guys tones was a metal zone pedal into a crappy amp a bad crate amp,I recall)..and to be honest he was a nice guy but there was me and my tube sounds..and then there was his GNAT-buzzing sound. After a few weeks everyone knew in the band that the GNAT had to go...because why would you want the GNAT sound when you already had it covered with the Tube-sound?

Sure, YMMV...but I think many many players see this as I do.
And the bottom line really is: I like my Randall tube amp system and It works VERY well for me. Meet me at a gig sometime..sit in for the sound check..I'll buy you a Foster's,mate. -GtrGeorge

I take no offence. It's all good

But I still don't understand your argument. My first post was in response to your statement that you are able to fill out the stage by yourself with a tube amp as some kind of rebuttal to people using modelling amps on stage. I have played on stage as the only guitarist and with other guitarists, and I find it easier to have a dominant stage-filling tone when I don't have to consider where the other mid-EQ musicians (keys, guitar) fit into the sonic spectrum.

Now to compare a buzzy low powered SS amp with your Randall? It's hardly apples v. apples, is it? I could make a counter argument comparing something like the Axe-FX through full range speakers or the PA to a 1w tube combo with a torn 8" speaker with the same result. Is that proof that tube amps can't cut it live compared to a modelling setup? Of course not.

fwiw, I play out with my band using my RM100. So I'm not championing the modelling cause because I use it. I just like to keep an open mind about gear.

ps. If I'm ever in your neck of the woods, I'd love to sit in. But I'll drink something else. As Julia says, a Coopers will do fine. We ship all the Fosters overseas because no one over here will drink it :lol:

 

[KillTone]

The "transistor vs. tube" debate has been going on for years - and will probably continue forever. Here is my personal experience in the debate.

I started on a transistor Randall Switchmaster in the early '80s and graduated to a RG100 ES half stack. Decent tone, but then I got a Seymour Duncan Convertable all tube amp (BTW - this amp is probably the early inspiration for the modular concept check one out!). The thickness and warmth of the tube tone was undeniable.

For years I played a variety of tube amps, then a friend of mine who is well known as a "tone guru" in the SF Bay Area showed me the Line 6 Flextone series. I loved it, bought one and gigged with it for a few years, keeping my Mesa Mark IV safely at home.

The Line 6 broke down and I a took the Mark IV out and again had the same epiphany that I had when changing from trasistors to tubes about 15 years earlier.

Then, as if to further prove my experience, the tone gods burned out a tube in My Mark IV at a gig where I forgot backup tubes. So, I took out my repaired Line 6 that I carried as a back up. Compared to the Mark IV the modeled tone was horrifying - thin, weak, fake and uninspiring.

I got into the MTS series because I like the modular concept and the similarity to my old Semour Duncan Convertable. The HUGE bonus of having Gigmods, Voodoo, Salvation, Jaded Faith, etc. is a godsend for people like all of us who are obsessed with with tone.

If Randall did this right, there would be no reason for anyone to play any other amp. It is really a crime that they have not more aggressively pursued players outside of the metal genre and thoroughly sold the extreme flexibility of the system with the addition of the independent modders.

Bringing this back around to the topic of the thread, if Randall was handling this line properly, the title would be "The Exodus of AMP BRAND HERE to Randall" Too bad.

 

[Mattfig]

As a newer MTS worshipper I just wish to say that, with the right setup (which for me is heavy on modded modules) and tweaking- these things are amazing...I'd put my MTS up against virtually any amp I can think of...When in the right hands, the tonal range (with great tone across the board) exceeds the potential of most every other amp...

 

[Rod]

I couldn't agree with you more Matt

 

[jet149]

As a newer MTS worshipper I just wish to say that, with the right setup (which for me is heavy on modded modules) and tweaking- these things are amazing...I'd put my MTS up against virtually any amp I can think of...When in the right hands, the tonal range (with great tone across the board) exceeds the potential of most every other amp...

That's a bold statement, I haven't found that module yet but I'm working on it... :lol:
My Splawn Nitro still rules my roost but I'm looking for that module that can match it's devastating low end thump! Any suggestions?

 

[Mattfig]

As a newer MTS worshipper I just wish to say that, with the right setup (which for me is heavy on modded modules) and tweaking- these things are amazing...I'd put my MTS up against virtually any amp I can think of...When in the right hands, the tonal range (with great tone across the board) exceeds the potential of most every other amp...

That's a bold statement, I haven't found that module yet but I'm working on it... :lol:
My Splawn Nitro still rules my roost but I'm looking for that module that can match it's devastating low end thump! Any suggestions?

Approach any of the abovbe listed modders and I'm certain one of them could cook something perfect up for your needs...These guys are no amateurs - they make great tone happen...Most will try to meet your specific needs...

 

[crankyrayhanky]

Salvation's Mamba, based off a Framus Cobra, seems to give the most low end thump with clarity

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=894143&songID=8770064

 

[jet149]

Salvation's Mamba, based off a Framus Cobra, seems to give the most low end thump with clarity

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=894143&songID=8770064

Yeah man that is my favorite clip on his site. I'm a little torn between the Mamba and chupacabra. I'm getting reading ship him a module but I can't decide which mod to get... :? It's tough!

 

[crankyrayhanky]

The 1666 scoop setting has the most angry gain! I'm sure the Chubacabre will be the same but even better.

 

[jet149]

Going to do the Mamba, time to start packing!

 

[crankyrayhanky]

cool, interested in hearing how it compares to your Splawn

 

[jet149]

Me also because the Nitro has ruined a lot of good amps for me :? I had 2 Bad Cat Hot Cat 30's that were really sweet then the Splawn came along and made them sound thin and muddy. I loved those amps before that.
The Mamba clips sound killer so we'll see!

 

[GtrGeorge!]

take no offence. It's all good
GtrGeorge: I take no offence,brother.

But I still don't understand your argument. My first post was in response to your statement that you are able to fill out the stage by yourself with a tube amp as some kind of rebuttal to people using modelling amps on stage. I have played on stage as the only guitarist and with other guitarists, and I find it easier to have a dominant stage-filling tone when I don't have to consider where the other mid-EQ musicians (keys, guitar) fit into the sonic spectrum.
GtrGeorge: In my situation I do have to be VERY mindful of the EQ..my other musicians use extended range instruments (my bassist use 5 string bases..sometimes tuned down into a VERY HI Fi amp system using Bergantino Cabs, Avalon preamp etc..my drummer uses a Neil Peart-type kit). But you wouldnt know that....I didn't mention that.
But I am very clear about the need to be eq'd. to mesh with the band.

Now to compare a buzzy low powered SS amp with your Randall? It's hardly apples v. apples, is it?

GtrGeorge: I exageratted to make my point..not everyone reading this would understand if I didnt make it very obvious.

fwiw, I play out with my band using my RM100. So I'm not championing the modelling cause because I use it. I just like to keep an open mind about gear.

GtrGeorge: Me,too. I use and continue to use EVERYTHING. Modeling,tubes..whatever I own and can get my paws on. As you say, its ALL good. But I would add only this: alot has to do with context: and if you aretrying to provide a big,wide,warm sound ..that is dynamic and PLAYABLE...I have found that TUBES define that. SS is good, as well..but differs..in fact for some NuMetal..Id rather use SS...but I do so knowing full well I am trying for a reduced dynamic range, and a VERY specific range of timbres.
Many,many players hear have owned used both..and have found time and time again..there is just something so GREAT about tubes. And I think the MTS line does a superior job of giving true tube sound, with the flexibilty of midi, and various preamp designs.

ps. If I'm ever in your neck of the woods, I'd love to sit in. But I'll drink something else. As Julia says, a Coopers will do fine. We ship all the Fosters overseas because no one over here will drink it

GtrGeorge: Ha ha ha...I was trying to be hospitable..and you were quite graceful about it,mate...however understand I havent been to your country yet. Now I know a lil better. I see Julia knows best...(smug smile.)

 

[GtrGeorge!]

GtrGeorge: Ha ha ha...I was trying to be hospitable..and you were quite graceful about it,mate...however understand I havent been to your country yet. Now I know a lil better. I see Julia knows best...(smug smile.)

GtrGeorge: I just re-read that and it doesnt make sense..
what I am saying is that I still will buy ya a beer..anthing you'd like...I dont know whats in fashion down-under..so forgive.
And Julia somehow has enoughtime to know whats hip..so bully for her!

thats what I meant...
GtrGeorge

 

[LRStrat]

If Randall did this right, there would be no reason for anyone to play any other amp. It is really a crime that they have not more aggressively pursued players outside of the metal genre and thoroughly sold the extreme flexibility of the system with the addition of the independent modders.

:!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

This is the smartest comment in this whole thread, hell entire forum.
Randall has had the "Only for metal players" stigma forever it seems.
Most of the locals here are surprise when they learn that I use Randall.
I play mostly classic & 80's rock some blues and lots of contemporary rock, and the MTS cover it all flawlessly.

Randall needs to peruse some more artists other than heavy ones.
All the label backed guys only play on whats giving to them..... I know, I have friends who are signed, the endorsement offers come pouring in.
Randall needs to step up their game.

 

[Rod]

If Randall did this right, there would be no reason for anyone to play any other amp. It is really a crime that they have not more aggressively pursued players outside of the metal genre and thoroughly sold the extreme flexibility of the system with the addition of the independent modders.

:!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

This is the smartest comment in this whole thread, hell entire forum.
Randall has had the "Only for metal players" stigma forever it seems.
Most of the locals here are surprise when they learn that I use Randall.
I play mostly classic & 80's rock some blues and lots of contemporary rock, and the MTS cover it all flawlessly.

Randall needs to peruse some more artists other than heavy ones.
All the label backed guys only play on whats giving to them..... I know, I have friends who are signed, the endorsement offers come pouring in.
Randall needs to step up their game.

Right on LRstrat...I play blues and Bluesrock...The MTS amps are great for my music as well....Randall really has missed the boat on this genre of music....